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Hi Jan, I love how you have written this. It's a marvel of a piece. I don't find fault with any of it. There is not really much to say about the state of human civilisation and its likely possible futures further to what you have said here. At this point of complete chaotic supercomplex absurdity, it's just a case of 'do the best you can with the tools and awareness and knowledge and love that you have and can continue to build and foster, and hope for the best of possible outcomes'...

As far as 'radical acceptance' goes, which, from my view is the only valid path to take for the collapse aware (of course on top of whatever actions they are prepared to follow through with to fight, mitigate, spread/raise awareness etc). For one's own basic mental health, acceptance is paramount, and as far as acceptance goes I wonder if an even more wide lens perspective may help. I offer it with no expectation that it won't be torn to shreds by some, which is welcomed, and as something I have not fully bought into myself but have simply been exploring and testing. This might be part of the testing... just talking about it.

So, I suspect that the speed at which the human species has, is, will delete itself is kind of irrelevant. Sure, our early peoples and cultures developed immensely wise and sustainable, if not regenerative worldviews and ways of living that centred the earth and their fundamental interconnection to it. They 'participated' as just another part of everything and understood such ways of life as entirely normal, which they were. Such set ups were able to last for ten's of thousands of years, and who knows how much longer they could have lasted had not certain critical developments occurred. But at some point, whether 100,000 years, 200,000 years or millions of years, it was destined to change. Humans are clearly wired to eventually end up where we are right now. Increasing complexity seems to be tied entropy, if not effectively one and the same. Humans are inherently curious and creative problem solvers. We have certain psychological traits that will eventually rise to prominence on endlessly iterated game theoretical models. Eventually, no matter what, this happens. At the same time, any given cataclysmic disaster could have or could wipe us out anyway. It's happened before, it could happen again. Hell, there are things that happen in the universe that could wipe the entire planet into dust or nothing... such things are inevitable over near-infinite time scales. So, we have this obsession on 'time'... how long we 'last'... the idea that the earth doesn't really care, the cosmos doesn't really care... so maybe that is true, and if it is, then what are we left with? We are only left with concepts of 'meaning'. What is meaning? what do we 'mean'? Maybe the only true meaning is 'love', and not just human 'love', but the attention and care and support and intention of all entities that exist as part of the cosmic web. Humans are doomed to fail, the cosmos does not really 'care', for it has meaning and love woven into it's very fabric fighting the eternal battle against entropy and eventual destruction until the whole thing collapses and starts again. So, where does the meaning of this doomed species on this tiny planet that the cosmos doesn't even really care about fit in? Well, maybe, it is simply the meaning created by the love we feel and enact and embody through our life with and towards human and non-human entities, and what humans have created from that perspective is possibly the greatest, or one of many total, but statistically rare in the universe, dense centres of love and meaning. Are these centres just blinking flame outs in the greater picture of all, sure they are, but are they still fundamentally significant, maybe. Maybe it is literally the point of 'life', the cosmos's ultimate play to create and foster and increase 'meaning' through sentient, intentional love that requires the choice of the entity to choose against easier non-loving and destructive options?

I know that this is essentially just a messy ill-thought out woo woo secular reinterpretation of religious frameworks, but from the widest lens, what else really is there to explain it all or to bring any sense of equanimity to a collapse-aware soul in these times? I am not religious, and I have never really like woo woo, but at this point, I just can't find any other way to see it that does not end up in me being severely depressed, or angry enough to effectively end myself by going full Rambo on the system. Neither of those options are good. The fight is, effectively futile at this point, at least at a systems level. At the individual and community level it is everything, which is what we need to focus on. But meaning is the only thing that matters, and meaning, as far as I am concerned, is the most important thing in existence, as otherwise, what is the point of existence? If meaning is love and attention and care and support and understanding etc, then those are the only things we should be investing in within our own spheres. It is also the only thing we can truly control. The earth and the universe will continue after us no matter how long we persist as the time scale of the universe might as well be infinite as we can fathom it... but in the vast scale of it, true meaning is incredible rare, thus the fabric of existence relies upon it to have any reason to exist at all. We are a part of that meaning, however long we last, or however many other nodes of life and meaning exist in the universe, and even after we are gone, i suspect that the fact that we existed at all, us fundamentally important to the very fabric of existence.

I'm not implying any of these thoughts are especially profound, or original, just what i have been thinking about and what i felt to say in response to your amazing piece (and all of your others). Much love.

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MWM in Ohio's avatar

Humans need to JUST STOP for a while, to contemplate these truths and discern a way forward. Whether you are religious or not. The pandemic offered us this opportunity. We wasted it. Who’s talking about these ideas? Who is hearing this message, anywhere? The mindless consumerism, addiction to “entertainment”, divisions, animosity, narcissistic nonsense, and senseless vengeance and violence are as pervasive and powerful as ever.

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